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    Auxiliary weapons

    Post  Admin on Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:19 am

    here is a list of weapons used by aux as according to churchills underground army which ive just picked up:

    Main
    Enfield P-17
    Winchester model 61,697,74
    BSA model 12 and 12a
    BAR
    Thompson 1928a1 or 1921
    Sten

    Sidearm
    0.32 colt police
    0.32 colt police positive
    0.32 Colt semi auto
    Smith and wesson 0.38/200 service revolver
    Welrod

    Edged/Blunt weapons
    Fairbairn Sykes
    Garrote
    Knuckledusters and truncheon

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    Post  corporal dixon on Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:50 am

    theres more mate lot of stuff not in the lists lol
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    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:59 am

    Well add to the list Carl let's get a difinitive guide to the weapons on here.
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    Re: Auxiliary weapons

    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:03 am

    Hiya Admin [& others];

    Welrod isn't known as definately issued to Auxiliary Units but some evidence, circumstantial from Stuart Macrae and documentary by Nigel Oxenden suggests they were aware of it and may have trained on it. It was recomended as ideal by him. I have one of the wooden model ones, and a rare original .32 welrod magazine.

    The Smith Wesson Model 10 is known as one of the specific model revolvers issued to the Aux Units as it has a fairly short barrel.

    There are two weapons which people did make - fairly easily - at home. Please advise me if this forum can be viewed by the public [even if they cannot post] before I divulge on here how you could make them.

    Items required are 1 wartime era domestic or army issue dining fork, 1 old fashoined METAL knitting needle and a 1 three inch long piece of large diameter dowel or even the handle off an old awl or bradawl tool. pirat

    If you have access to a good heavy duty bench grinder and an old buckshee metal file there is another thing you can make.

    As the good Corporal states, there is indeed a veritable eyeopening, and possibly eye watering number of items you can make or create. Mwah ha ha ha! Sorry, when I think about all the stuff I've seen that Mr Ashley has and whats at Parham I can't help chuckle.

    Just to add to your list a few I can think of

    Lapel dagger
    Push dagger
    WW1 trench knife
    cheesewire
    [I even have a repro shoe dagger, but it maybe more SOE than Auxunits]

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    Post  corporal dixon on Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:56 am

    ayup mat told james about coleshill i dont know what i can put up on here after i was telling him some of the kit ie knuckle dusters bc41 knucle knife garot tyre slash ring road spikes and as you say all the wonderful kit i have seen at coleshill and parem any new members to aux this year remember the aux were as well equiped as regulars if not better dont put loads of kit on only what you need for the nights fun you could have to get out of there fast
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    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:15 am

    talking about these things is fine just no DIY kits on the public forum
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    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:19 am

    cant wait to do aux i love all these weapons any evidence they used bowie knives ive got a massive one at home that would look great on the belt. Another thing why did they use .22 snipers rather than .303? That pump action winchester rifle confused me i thought it was a shotgun with a scope on at first lol
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    Re: Auxiliary weapons

    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:30 am

    James,
    As to the .22 versus .303. I am not sure of the exact reasons, but they had a shorter barrel and were lighter making for easier concealement? Also the round would have had a smaller charge, slightly lower muzzle velocity probably making for a more efficent silencer?

    Availability might have also been a factor.

    The winchester pump loader is quite something Wink



    Just for you a photo of a Richard Ashley collection item at Parham. Made out of a large size knitting needle with glued and shellaced twine handle. Fearsome. Will explain how it worked when I see you.
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    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:33 am

    Look carefully at this picture and you will see what I meant about using a fork. This item was actually made by someone in the commando forces in WW2. Again, same source as previous photo.

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    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:35 am

    Using an old metal file its amazing what you could create.
    These days you'd probably need someone good at sharpening to achieve the final result though.



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    Re: Auxiliary weapons

    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:37 am

    I can't remember the exact name for this item. Carl might know? I know it wouldn't be much change out of £300 if you found one in an auction!




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    Post  corporal dixon on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:51 am

    cant remeber name myself mat but you are a lucky bugger to have one james cant think of bowie knife available to aux maybe brit airbourne could be won at cards of the yanks spose lol

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    Post  corporal dixon on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:54 am

    mat whats the name of the eating iron tool i like it .
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    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:55 am

    corporal dixon wrote:cant remeber name myself mat but you are a lucky bugger to have one james cant think of bowie knife available to aux maybe brit airbourne could be won at cards of the yanks spose lol

    but they had been out 100 years before ww2 so im assuming that some would have got accross Smile what about the British army machete? i have one of those aswell lol
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    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:13 am

    Hiya Corp.
    I don't have the SOE hand knife thing, its just my photo. The knife is Richard Ashleys.
    If I recall correctly he just called the fork thing an improvised claw weapon.

    James, machete is a possible I guess, being WD issue. A lot of members, prior to getting an FS knife, had other self purchased knives. There would have been a fair selection in the fishing hobby, and also the shooting and hunting trades. Probably not so many huge flashy knives, but certainly smaller hunting knives.

    The bowie's ancestors is in the spanish hunting and other knives as developed by Jim Bowie. Without proper training or experience they wouldn't be the best, but then again, as Major Henry Hall and Dan Fairbairn said, half of the thing with a knife is the fear induced in the person who sees you coming on with it when the blade flashes in the moonlight.
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    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:23 am

    and theyre nothing more bowl moving than the massive bowie knife or machete lol I could also get one of pegasus's sten silencers for my mark 2 im presuming they'd have had them?

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    Post  corporal dixon on Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:27 am

    the claw sounds a bit ninja lol how many sizes of road spikes or is it endless
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    Post  MattWR5 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:49 am

    They might have had silenced Stens towards the end. I don't actually know for sure, but there is still loads to be discovered. They did get issued with Stens. You need to ask Richard Ashley.
    Beware he will ask you what you think of the Sten gun. Answer carefully Wink
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    Re: Auxiliary weapons

    Post  Admin on Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:28 pm

    corporal's just alerted me to this


    Want! lol

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    Post  corporal dixon on Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:40 pm

    you like that then what about skull head knife
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    Re: Auxiliary weapons

    Post  MattWR5 on Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:00 pm

    Mmm!
    How COULD I forget about the Smatchett~?!

    Excellent repro available here at £275 -

    http://www.macdonaldarms.com/armoury/FairbairnSmatchet.php

    Another more competetively priced at about $90

    http://www.atlantacutlery.com/p-2033-oss-smatchet.aspx

    Solomon Adler from Czech also do one about £98.

    The Rodgers sheath knife, a small bowie, was also commonly obtained by Auxiliers. Rodgers is a Sheffield maker. They also made some of the army clasp knives and the long bladed SOE knife, with the bakelite/plastic black grips. I obtained one from a Sheffield cutler a little while ago, old stock, exactly like the SOE one, probably made in the 70s!
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    Re: Auxiliary weapons

    Post  Admin on Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:37 am

    hmmm i may get that atlanta cutlery one in the future it looks decent and i know a bloke who could import it without the usual hassels. i cant find this skull knife corp

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    sorry mate

    Post  corporal dixon on Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:20 am

    sorry mate been of line for a few days yea skull head knife think far east commando had it the most had chance of repro once smachet had chance of once it was 125 quid

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